The Eyes' Deception (from Discord)
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'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.' -- Obi-Wan Kenobi
A lesson drilled into the fictional Jedi from a young age. Of course this doesn't mean to ignore what your eyes see, but instead to not trust things done at face value.
One must learn to separate ego from action. What is being done, without context? Then, what is being done, with context. Then, in knowledge, how should one take this knowledge and act upon it?
Don't trust your eyes alone. Instead utilize all of your abilities, rather than shut some off in favour of our most readily available ability.
May the Force continue to guide you.
Claire
The eyes only give us the surface view, there is much going on underneath that we need to figure out before jumping to conclusions.
Sotunus
“Looking and seeing are two different things. What matters is the relationship with the subject.”
— Christophe Agou
Michael
Sotunus Should we cover phenomenology?
I thought it was implied in the teachings on objectivity, but perhaps a formal study of the principles of phenomenology would be wise
Segue dialectics in there
It would be a disservice to the topic if dialectic weren't discussed
I'm currently feeling the dialectical pretty hard, as both a DBT specialist and a D&D therapist
The dialectic model's inherent problem is it does allow for a tolerance for contradictions
Which, in a therapeutic setting can make it difficult to challenge certain beliefs and behaviors.
I'd argue that the point of dialectics is suggesting that things aren't contradictory
It is about refinement of thought
This is where the legacy of Dialectics and CBT do come into conflict during the therapeutic process
Challenging and Acceptance can, if one is not careful during the process, create moments of irreconcilable contradictions
Its hard to know where one should be employed over the other - especially in cases of learned helplessness
Although, I can't help but wonder if there's room to suggest for, not a "learned helplesness" but for an "environmental helplessness" - folks who were never given a chance to experience help
Trust then discuss: the strength of challenging skill relies on the trust of the client, and the knowledge of the therapist. No point getting into the thrust of the discussion if you lack the trust you are coming from a place of their best interests.
Linehan's most important observation is that many patients she worked with who were at high risk, suicidal and self-harming, did grow up in invalidating environments.
Incredibly.
Incidentally, the biosocial model is perfectly exemplified by Anakin Skywalker.
Yes, but the narratives of Star Wars are quite dense and diverse
Ignoring the mass murder and space wizardry
Deconstruction of Fatherhood, Models of Heroes, and the transience and fragility of political models
Hes an emotionally sensitive kid thrust into an incredibly invalidating environment at a pivotal point in his development
Yes, a Slave taken from his sole emotional support network, faced with the trauma of significant losses early in life, and given inappropriate support given his profile
Its almost like an ivory tower is no place to raise a boy.
Exceptions to rules do not demonstrate global flaws, only specific flaws
In this case that the Jedi lacked any structure of social science designed to confront its outlying members
Otherwise, the system worked pretty well for a long, long time in context.
In some regards, the Jedi Order was the best home for a someone with Anakin's potential, but it was also the worst home in that it lacked those with the knowledge to confront his unique issues
When regarding the Fictional Jedi we should always be mindful they lived in a world of Blue and Orange morality, where the Force was a real and present divine power.
That the dark side was an external presence that could have a profound effect on people. Which, we can treat as a metaphor for how our environment shapes us, or perhaps for the misuse of certain substances. Nothing in the real world that really has the means to turn a person into a moral nihilist through exposure though.
Anakin's tale by the point of Episode Three is pretty much Faust for the post-modern world
Up until then though, I have to agree he fits the Biosocial model as an example in fiction
'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.' -- Obi-Wan Kenobi
A lesson drilled into the fictional Jedi from a young age. Of course this doesn't mean to ignore what your eyes see, but instead to not trust things done at face value.
One must learn to separate ego from action. What is being done, without context? Then, what is being done, with context. Then, in knowledge, how should one take this knowledge and act upon it?
Don't trust your eyes alone. Instead utilize all of your abilities, rather than shut some off in favour of our most readily available ability.
May the Force continue to guide you.
Claire
The eyes only give us the surface view, there is much going on underneath that we need to figure out before jumping to conclusions.
Sotunus
“Looking and seeing are two different things. What matters is the relationship with the subject.”
— Christophe Agou
Michael
Sotunus Should we cover phenomenology?
I thought it was implied in the teachings on objectivity, but perhaps a formal study of the principles of phenomenology would be wise
Segue dialectics in there
It would be a disservice to the topic if dialectic weren't discussed
I'm currently feeling the dialectical pretty hard, as both a DBT specialist and a D&D therapist
The dialectic model's inherent problem is it does allow for a tolerance for contradictions
Which, in a therapeutic setting can make it difficult to challenge certain beliefs and behaviors.
I'd argue that the point of dialectics is suggesting that things aren't contradictory
It is about refinement of thought
This is where the legacy of Dialectics and CBT do come into conflict during the therapeutic process
Challenging and Acceptance can, if one is not careful during the process, create moments of irreconcilable contradictions
Its hard to know where one should be employed over the other - especially in cases of learned helplessness
Although, I can't help but wonder if there's room to suggest for, not a "learned helplesness" but for an "environmental helplessness" - folks who were never given a chance to experience help
Trust then discuss: the strength of challenging skill relies on the trust of the client, and the knowledge of the therapist. No point getting into the thrust of the discussion if you lack the trust you are coming from a place of their best interests.
Linehan's most important observation is that many patients she worked with who were at high risk, suicidal and self-harming, did grow up in invalidating environments.
Incredibly.
Incidentally, the biosocial model is perfectly exemplified by Anakin Skywalker.
Yes, but the narratives of Star Wars are quite dense and diverse
Ignoring the mass murder and space wizardry
Deconstruction of Fatherhood, Models of Heroes, and the transience and fragility of political models
Hes an emotionally sensitive kid thrust into an incredibly invalidating environment at a pivotal point in his development
Yes, a Slave taken from his sole emotional support network, faced with the trauma of significant losses early in life, and given inappropriate support given his profile
Its almost like an ivory tower is no place to raise a boy.
Exceptions to rules do not demonstrate global flaws, only specific flaws
In this case that the Jedi lacked any structure of social science designed to confront its outlying members
Otherwise, the system worked pretty well for a long, long time in context.
In some regards, the Jedi Order was the best home for a someone with Anakin's potential, but it was also the worst home in that it lacked those with the knowledge to confront his unique issues
When regarding the Fictional Jedi we should always be mindful they lived in a world of Blue and Orange morality, where the Force was a real and present divine power.
That the dark side was an external presence that could have a profound effect on people. Which, we can treat as a metaphor for how our environment shapes us, or perhaps for the misuse of certain substances. Nothing in the real world that really has the means to turn a person into a moral nihilist through exposure though.
Anakin's tale by the point of Episode Three is pretty much Faust for the post-modern world
Up until then though, I have to agree he fits the Biosocial model as an example in fiction
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