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Arisaig
“If you hang out with chickens, you're going to cluck and if you hang out with eagles, you're going to fly.” -- Steve Maraboli
Birds of a feather flock together, you become most like the people you hang with, et cetera et cetera. We all know the sayings. But, in practise, many people tend to frequent circles where they already feel masterful. They flock to those that compliment them and avoid those that push them. They keep an entourage of those that put them on a pedestal rather than those that make them earn it.
The master/apprentice relationship is one such relationship that must be carefully chosen. The master provides knowledge freely and constantly pushes the apprentice. They give them open and true feedback, as biting as it may be at times. The apprentice shouldn't just take it unquestioningly, but help them master learn a new point of view.
Together, they thrive. Rise in the Force.
May the Force continue to guide you.
Claire
I guess it depends. I'm at a point in my life where I really just need good support. The poking and challenging gets tiresome, many arguments lead nowhere. I tend to surround myself with positive people, I dont really have time for negativity or talking in circles.
I want to learn, but in a good environment/relationship
Being challenged to an extent is good.
But it should come from a place of equality, not the master dangling a carrot on a stick so to speak
And respect too
Naturally. Its not about arguments, its about learning. If someone is arguing with you, they're not trying to teach you. They're trying to prove a point. And that's not teaching.
My own master viewed me as his teacher many times. Its the difference between Sith and Jedi teachers, I find. The Sith aspect adheres to the doctrine of "One to hold the power, and the apprentice to desire it"... whereas the Jedi share knowledge freely and without expectation. Or, at least, should.
The Jedi way sounds good.
The Sith one sounds... I don't know if pretentious is the right word?
perhaps it is.
But easily could just be just a different methodology. In the end, it comes down to the master and apprentice and how they 'gel' and how they learn. The best teaching method taught by a knowledgeable teacher means nothing if the student doesn't know how to learn.
Raven
Arisaig, I like the topic. Here are my thoughts from the teacher/guide/master side.
I live close to Rocky Mountain National Park. Of course in the park there are experts on the nature and wilderness there. The Park Rangers. They are friendly and give information freely to all visitors that come and ask. When you drive into the park with children the kids can get a packet to do as they go around the park. There are questions about animal tracks and definitions for animal droppings (scat) etc. So that the kids have fun and learn about the natural world at the same time.
If the child shares their packet with a Ranger and answers some questions they get a Junior Ranger badge to take home.
Very few people who enter the park are interested in becoming Rangers themselves. They like to learn some information, connect with nature, and see wildlife.
I feel that the FA is very much like this. There are a few of us that are Rangers. Most people who come through these halls are interested in conversation and connecting with "the wild life", then there are a few that want to participate a bit and get their Ranger badge. Very, very few are in it to become Rangers themselves and make that deep commitment to training in the Jedi sense of Qui-gon and Obi-wan.
This is what I have to remind myself. I've made the mistake before in thinking that if someone comes through to the FA they want to be Rangers, and that's not really fair to anyone. :pray:
Anyway, that's my crazy perspective on your quote. :upside_down:
“If you hang out with chickens, you're going to cluck and if you hang out with eagles, you're going to fly.” -- Steve Maraboli
“If you hang out with chickens, you're going to cluck and if you hang out with eagles, you're going to fly.” -- Steve Maraboli
Birds of a feather flock together, you become most like the people you hang with, et cetera et cetera. We all know the sayings. But, in practise, many people tend to frequent circles where they already feel masterful. They flock to those that compliment them and avoid those that push them. They keep an entourage of those that put them on a pedestal rather than those that make them earn it.
The master/apprentice relationship is one such relationship that must be carefully chosen. The master provides knowledge freely and constantly pushes the apprentice. They give them open and true feedback, as biting as it may be at times. The apprentice shouldn't just take it unquestioningly, but help them master learn a new point of view.
Together, they thrive. Rise in the Force.
May the Force continue to guide you.
Claire
I guess it depends. I'm at a point in my life where I really just need good support. The poking and challenging gets tiresome, many arguments lead nowhere. I tend to surround myself with positive people, I dont really have time for negativity or talking in circles.
I want to learn, but in a good environment/relationship
Being challenged to an extent is good.
But it should come from a place of equality, not the master dangling a carrot on a stick so to speak
And respect too
Naturally. Its not about arguments, its about learning. If someone is arguing with you, they're not trying to teach you. They're trying to prove a point. And that's not teaching.
My own master viewed me as his teacher many times. Its the difference between Sith and Jedi teachers, I find. The Sith aspect adheres to the doctrine of "One to hold the power, and the apprentice to desire it"... whereas the Jedi share knowledge freely and without expectation. Or, at least, should.
The Jedi way sounds good.
The Sith one sounds... I don't know if pretentious is the right word?
perhaps it is.
But easily could just be just a different methodology. In the end, it comes down to the master and apprentice and how they 'gel' and how they learn. The best teaching method taught by a knowledgeable teacher means nothing if the student doesn't know how to learn.
Raven
Arisaig, I like the topic. Here are my thoughts from the teacher/guide/master side.
I live close to Rocky Mountain National Park. Of course in the park there are experts on the nature and wilderness there. The Park Rangers. They are friendly and give information freely to all visitors that come and ask. When you drive into the park with children the kids can get a packet to do as they go around the park. There are questions about animal tracks and definitions for animal droppings (scat) etc. So that the kids have fun and learn about the natural world at the same time.
If the child shares their packet with a Ranger and answers some questions they get a Junior Ranger badge to take home.
Very few people who enter the park are interested in becoming Rangers themselves. They like to learn some information, connect with nature, and see wildlife.
I feel that the FA is very much like this. There are a few of us that are Rangers. Most people who come through these halls are interested in conversation and connecting with "the wild life", then there are a few that want to participate a bit and get their Ranger badge. Very, very few are in it to become Rangers themselves and make that deep commitment to training in the Jedi sense of Qui-gon and Obi-wan.
This is what I have to remind myself. I've made the mistake before in thinking that if someone comes through to the FA they want to be Rangers, and that's not really fair to anyone. :pray:
Anyway, that's my crazy perspective on your quote. :upside_down:
“If you hang out with chickens, you're going to cluck and if you hang out with eagles, you're going to fly.” -- Steve Maraboli
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